In this episode of Entrepreneur Spotlight, Bri White of Vostra Moda and Sandra Francisco talk about the journey of Vostra Moda, from inspiration to its first year in business.
Note: Unfortunately, the video interview was removed by the creator. However, our resident tech-wizard conjured a lightly edited transcript before the takedown. Please enjoy!
Sandra: Hello, everybody! Welcome to the Entrepreneur Spotlight. I’m Sandra Francisco. I help new and aspiring entrepreneurs transition from job to business, start a business from scratch, and build self-awareness so they can know what is good and right for them.
I had this idea to interview different entrepreneurs from different parts of the world and different businesses in the hopes that they will serve as expanders for you wherever you are in your business journey. I’m so excited because today we have Bri White on the show. Bri, how are you?
Bri: I’m good, how are you?
Sandra: Good! I’m so good, where are you in the world?
Bri: So I am based in Southern New Hampshire on the east coast of the US. We’ve got all four seasons here, and it’s supposedly spring right now, but it’s going to be 80° F all week, so you go with the moments. You love that flowers are happening, and then it’ll be summer before you know it!
Sandra: Wow, that’s what I was saying too! I’m like, “Here too”! It’s like we went from winter to summer. Spring is like a day!
Bri: Exactly. There’s a day when there’s a full bloom of flowers, and you enjoy that 60° F weather, and then suddenly, you’re in summer.
Sandra: Yeah, exactly, exactly. So Bri, tell us a little bit about yourself first, and then we can get into your business journey.
Bri: Sure! So, my name is Brianna White, but I go by Bri, and I love styling.
I love clothes. I have since I was a kid. And it’s hard to have the “about me” versus “about my business” – because I feel that they are tied together after so long.
I mean, from the time I was four years old I had to dress-up-bucket. Skirts turned into capes, and belts turned into bracelets. It was always about having fun and being creative and seeing what I could do with that.
Then, as I got older and started seeing what else was happening in the world, I became a little more self-aware and afraid of what other people were thinking of me. I was afraid of their judgments, and I think I internalized that. I shied away from expressing myself through clothing like I had done when I was a child.
TL;DR: Before being bogged down by outside judgments, I felt free to play, experiment, and make mistakes. As I grew up, I allowed the world to change me. Most people go through this, and I was no exception.
It wasn’t until I got back into college (I was going to an art school) and was surrounded by people who were expressing themselves in different ways that I rediscovered my love for clothing. And my love of being able to express myself through clothing, try things, get creative, and have fun.
I went to school for graphic design. It was an art school that focused on graphic design, illustration, photography, and a whole plethora of different arts. A lot of my friends were photography majors and asked me to help them with their homework by sitting and modeling for them, so I did that for a while and found that I loved modeling too!
I became part of a local community, I modeled for some local studio classes, and through that process, I got to meet amazing people.
I met makeup artists, hairstylists, more photographers, and designers, and re-immersed myself into the world of what it means to express yourself and be creative again, and I think that helped rekindle my love of clothing!
Then, even though I was working in an administrative job in a school that had nothing to do with clothing, in my downtime I still loved modeling, putting outfits together, and going to photo shoots.
Even when I was modeling, if there were other models on set, if they were like,” I don’t know what to put together” or “I didn’t bring the right thing,” I would bring a suitcase with me of different items that I was like, “This could work with this or this or this” and, “What can I help you with? Can I put this together for you? Or maybe we can match these things”.
TL;DR: I found “my people”, you know? The kind of people that I felt comfortable being myself around. That I clicked with. That got me.
I rediscovered not just that I love dressing myself [up] but that I love helping other people find new things about themselves, or find new ways of integrating stuff into their clothing. So, family, friends, and everybody along the way got to experience this because I lovingly was like, “Hey, do you want help with your clothes? I’d love to help you, not that you need it! I just want to play!”
Then, over the last year with covid, I think everybody was refocusing on what was important to them. We’ve never been through that before, and you could focus on your priorities again.
I realized how much I missed having creativity in my daily life and how much I wanted to support other women directly.
I didn’t have the opportunity to do that in my 9 to 5, and the time that I did have was so limited. I started looking into the idea of bringing my love of clothing, and the inspiration that it brings me, and realistically, the way that it changed my life over the years, and being able to learn how to express myself again after becoming, you know, very, what’s the word – the opposite of an extravert – an introvert, you know? We can be very introverted, especially over this past year, and clothing helped me connect to other people, have conversations with them, and open up again.
TL;DR: I needed to find more time for my creativity and my people, and my job didn’t afford me enough opportunities to connect this way. I needed to change something — and that was to start Vostra Moda.
I was like, “It’s not just me! I know other people have felt this way, and I know they can find themselves through this too! And feel like I want to become this person. Maybe, if I put on a pair of heels today because I’m taller, I’ll feel taller! And I’ll feel more powerful.” I was like, “I’m not the only one who feels this way! I’ve got to find a way to help others feel this too!” So that started my journey into starting Vostra Moda. It all ties together.
Starting Vostra Moda
Sandra: That is beautiful. How did you make that decision? When did you know that that was for you? Whether you were going to look for a job in the industry or you wanted to do your own thing?
Bri: Yeah. So originally, even with modeling, it was something that I didn’t consider a job. It was more of a hobby. I had tried to turn it into a job, but not wholeheartedly. I didn’t pursue it as a job. It was sort of, “If I could make money doing this, that would be great! But really, I just want the creative experience, and I want to connect with other people.”
Then, over the last year, when those feelings were coming up, like, how can I connect with people? How can I create more of an impact and share what I know and what I love with others? I was like, “I have to be able to do this – even if it’s doing a 9 to 5 and this at the same time.”
TL;DR: I needed an outlet to connect with people on a deep level. I worked with a business coach to start Vostra Moda while still at my 9 to 5. It was hard. It was too much. It was necessary.
Finding the time and focusing on this [Vostra Moda], I just felt very driven. I started by hiring a business coach and working with her on “I have this idea, how do I turn this into an actual business though, that isn’t just a hobby anymore, because I want to make more impact than just – oh hey, we knew each other, or a friend of a friend mentioned me casually – I want there to be more connections out there available.
As an introvert, it’s so hard to put yourself out there, so asking her (my business coach) for her advice and feedback, and being able to work with her and build this into a business and see it as not just a hobby but something that can make a change in other people’s lives, and how important that was going to be. It drove me to keep pursuing it.
After a few months of doing that, I realized that I wanted to do this more than casually, that this was more than just a hobby. I needed all my time to be spent on this because I knew how big it could be.
So that was really the driving force. Once I started doing it and focusing on it, I realized I needed to leave the corporate world and start my own business, so I could focus on that and make as much outreach and connections as possible.
TL;DR: I left my 9 to 5 to pursue a personal styling career of my making. It sounds quick and painless — but it wasn’t. Many sleepless nights later, I took the plunge!
Sandra: Yeah, it’s that desire, right? That doesn’t go away.
Bri: You wake up in the middle of the night thinking, what can I do today so I can get myself out there? Even though the thought terrifies me because I’m an introvert, I want to meet other people, and I want to help them and see a smile across their faces when they put something on instead of hiding behind it.
Rather than putting a sweatshirt on and putting the hood up and wanting to hide away from the world, I want people to be able to put something on and take a powerful, confident step forward, and think, “I am worthy of people looking at me and seeing me and acknowledging me, and I deserve their respect because I respect myself.”
Finding an ideal client
Sandra: I love that because I know you say you do intuitive styling, which is like doing a bit of coaching, a bit of styling, and a bit of mental health. How does that dynamic, or probably a better question – how do you find an ideal client that you know you can best serve? Because some people aren’t going to look at clothing that way, so how do you look for an ideal client?
Bri: So, for my ideal client, I’m drawn to people I have similarities with. Somebody who is really invested in their business and wants to see themselves growing, but maybe they feel stuck where they are and find themselves making excuses or hiding behind their clothing.
Another big thing is: how you do one thing is how you do everything. So, if your closet is a mess, there’s a good chance you’re stuck in a hole in your business too, and you can’t see past it. These were things that saw in my life as I started Vostra Moda.
TL;DR: Ok, so not to sound conceited, but a great client for me is someone who shares my faults. Someone who is focused and driven, sometimes to the point of pain, to invest in their dreams.
I would be working on something, and the house would be a mess, and I couldn’t focus or organize [my thoughts]. Once I put structures into place, I could see clearly again. Even just finding within my own closet what I have been holding on to and hoarding, and what wasn’t actually serving me anymore that I had to let go of, allowed me to take a huge step forward and realize that this is something that others need too.
So I think a big part of it is looking at myself, and that intuition, sometimes it starts just with you, what you’ve experienced, and what you think, “Gosh, somebody else is going to really connect to this.” And for me, it was “My closet overwhelms me. I don’t want to open the door because I’m afraid of what I’m going to find”.
And drawing from that experience, I was like, “All right, who out there has felt this before? Who out there is like, I don’t have time to worry about how I look? I just want to look good. I just want to look good and go into my meeting and feel like I’ve got it under control. I’m confident – but I don’t have the time to worry about this!”
That was one of my first ideas. I wanted to help these kinds of women specifically, those who feel like they don’t have the time.
They really want to grow and expand and impact other people around them, but clothing is a huge part of that. It’s how you present yourself and how other people are going to see you and be drawn to you.
So that was a bit of a tangent, but that’s one of the ways that I am going into connecting with people and networking with them. I think, “What relates? What do I feel like I understand and have experienced before?” And I can definitely help because what’s personal is universal. That’s one of my mentor’s, Kate Taylor, sayings that I absolutely love. Because it’s true! If you’ve experienced something personally, it’s guaranteed that other people are experiencing it.
Finding your first clients
Sandra: Exactly. There’s a reason, a connection. I totally agree with that.
How did you go about finding your first clients? Because I find that for new entrepreneurs, that’s usually a stressful time, and sometimes people overcomplicate the concepts. I’d love to know how did you go about that?
Bri: So, for me, the best way, I think, is to start with people that you know.
You don’t have to cherry-pick. And, especially in a business like this [personal styling], you don’t want to offend anybody and be like, “You need my help. You need to be styled because you dress terribly.” [In my line of work] that’s how it’s going to come off if you go up to someone and say, “Hey, I’m a stylist. Can I style you?” You know? You want to make sure that they’re open to the experience first, that they do need the support, and it’s not just you coming in. Otherwise, it’s not going to feel like they’re getting the support that they actually need, and, you’re not going to be able to help them the way they need either.
TL;DR: Finding your first clients is like finding anything: Look around you. Your friends, family, and trusted colleagues want to support you, they want to help you! Allow them the opportunity to graciously receive your deeply discounted beta services.
So, I reached out to a group of people that I knew, and let them know that: “I’ve started my business, and here’s exactly what I’m doing, at this time I’m offering this large package, and I’m just trialing small sections of it to get started. If you’re interested in something like, you need help going through your closet because you have a lot of things, and you don’t really know what you wear – or what stuff you should get rid of – that’s one of the offerings. We can go through what you have, talk about what’s working, and what isn’t working – and if things don’t fit, I’m here to hold you accountable and go, “Do you really want to keep that? Is that really amplifying your life? Is that helping you level up the person you want to be, or is it holding you back?”
Or, “Do you need to go shopping for new things? I can give guidance on where you can find things you love based on a store you love. Here are some recommendations. Or here are some things that I’ve found that are similar.”
Or one of the last options provided in this large package is creating a lookbook, which is putting together outfits from what people already have. Because a lot of the time, we forget what we have and only wear 20% of what’s in our closet.
You think, “Well, I don’t have anything to wear, but I have a closet full of clothes, and I don’t understand how that happened.”
So it’s rediscovering the things [in your closet] that you already have, how to use them in different ways, or in ways that you like more.
Maybe you thought, “Well, I can only wear this article one way.” So opening up that door to see that you can wear it in five different ways you may have never tried before, let’s have fun, get creative and play around, and then you find something you love from that.
So I offered these specific portions of a larger styling package to people I knew and said, “If any of these interest you, let me know!” I did a promotion because I was starting my business that way [the packages] were at an introductory rate. It introduced clients to my program and me to [working with] clients, and how everybody works a bit differently.
TL;DR: The more that others talk about your services, the less you’ll feel like a salesperson. No offense to salespeople. Get feedback and ask your clients to share their experiences.
I highly recommend that new entrepreneurs start with the people they know; friends and family! Ask them if they can think of anybody who would like your services. Have them share. Give a link or create a promo pamphlet or flyer about your offering, and include how they can contact you. And then your friends and family can send that out, and it doesn’t feel like you’re scavenging for people. Like, “I found you, and I’m targeting you.”
It becomes more natural and a conversation. Like, “How can I help you and best support you with whatever you’re going through?” If they love it, then maybe, they’re like, “Well, I just thought I’d want this one thing, but this was a great experience! What else can you do?” Then they might become a full client, and you can grow your business naturally.
Advice for entrepreneurs
Sandra: I love it. Then, you can get testimonials in the early days, which help you grow your business. It’s so much simpler than people make it out to be, and I love everything you just explained.
I find working with entrepreneurs, by the time they come to me, they’ve spent a lot of time and money doing things that aren’t really appropriate for that phase. Like, spending money on ads or a lot of time just trying to build a social media experience in the early days where you can go months without return.
TL;DR: People respond to people. You need social proof, like testimonials and ratings, to back up your business. Spending money on ad campaigns without social proof is not an effective strategy.
So, I love the fact that even if you start small, for one, you’re going to make a little bit of money, so you get used to making a profit and you’re going to get people that you can turn into testimonials. Then, you can go to the next level and do ads later. But I love the simplicity of that.
I know we were talking beforehand about going from in-person [styling] to doing what you’re doing online. Now, a lot of people over the last year-and-a-half that I’ve worked with have had that challenge. They were doing things that had not really been done online, so they had to convince themselves that it could be done. So I’d love for you to talk about that as well.
Bri: Yeah. So another thing that I highly recommend for anyone just starting a business is finding a mentor. Somebody who really speaks to you.
It’s unfortunate because I think people have had a lot of bad experiences with finding the right mentor, whether they didn’t feel like they got enough or overpaid for something.
But I was lucky in my experiences. The first coach I worked with was a business coach. She specifically worked with entrepreneurs to scale their businesses from the start – to growing into however much, or if they were already in it – growing it past that.
Because I was just starting, we got to start at the base level and go, “How do you want to make your structures work, and how do you want to progress your entire business?” We worked together for three months. She gave me so much great advice and helped me be accountable.
That’s another big thing for an entrepreneur. It’s hard when you’re working for yourself if you don’t have somebody over you saying, this needs to get done by this date unless you’re good about being on bleed-top of what you need to do. So, even though I think I hold myself to a good standard and make sure I complete tasks on time, having someone who can talk things through and be held accountable, keeps you in check.
TL;DR: When you work for yourself, no one is breathing down your neck about getting your TPS Reports in on time. Find a mentor to help keep you accountable.
So I worked with her, and she specifically worked with service-based entrepreneurs. We worked together virtually because I started [Vostra Moda] during a pandemic when everyone was doing things virtually anyways. After our program ended [and Vostra Moda was born], I found another mentor, Kate Taylor, who I’m currently working with. Kate works [as a business coach] specifically with stylists. She has her own style clients and helps other stylists become better stylists.
So I went through a program she offered, which was great because it tied everything I learned about being a business owner and an entrepreneur with the personal styling niche that my business focused on.
One of the things that she had done during the pandemic was teaching her stylists to do everything in a virtual format. It was something that she’d integrated into her own business, and she’s had her business for almost ten years. So, when when the pandemic hit, she realized, “A lot of my stylists don’t know that you can do this. I’m going to create a course so that they know there are options, that you can pivot, and that you don’t just stop styling because walls come up. Yeah, they seem like really high walls, but there’s always a way you can get through if you can be creative and work with a community and talk to people.”
TL;DR: Building Vostra Moda from a virtual-first perspective allowed me to grow without the conventional expectations of an in-person styling business. I realized that I could use Vostra Moda to help people worldwide.
She created this program, and luckily, by the time I came in, it [virtual personal styling] was integrated into the program from the start. So it was wonderful because I had the option of teaching people how to go through their closets, do the shopping, and create outfits and lookbooks for them in-person or online, which is what we’ve [Vostra Moda] been doing for the last few months – year— Yeah it’s been a long time already! It’s crazy. Time has become null and void!
Sandra: Exactly! But that’s so – I mean, that the timing worked out that way. I think that would be – as there were quite a few clients I worked with where they couldn’t, at the time, imagine it because you get so used to working 1-on-1. It’s amazing timing that you didn’t get stuck in the “old ways” and figured out how to get unstuck and move on.
Bri: I totally agree.
Sandra: I know that there’s a lot of conversation on social media, and media [in general], about entrepreneurship being super hard, difficult, and filled with challenges, which it is. I mean, there are challenges like there are in a job, like there are in life like there are in anything else. I’d love for you to share a challenge you’ve been through in your business and how you’ve overcome it.
Bri: I think probably for me the biggest challenge, and it’s something that I’ve already mentioned before, is I’m a shy person. I’m very introverted. A big part of being an entrepreneur is you have to put yourself out there, otherwise, people aren’t going to know you exist as a business. It’s not like you can just go to your boss and get your check and then continue working! You have to put in the time.
I think that was the most challenging thing. Learning to put myself out there and how to do it without feeling like I was just constantly selling to people. Because it doesn’t feel good to me to be constantly selling. I want to make connections with people because my goal at the end of the day is I want this woman to walk away and feel amazing about herself and be able to walk away confidently.
That has always been my end goal, how can I support other people to feel better about themselves?
Because that’s all that I wanted my entire life was how do I learn to feel better about myself. And that starts with yourself. So being able to give them the tools to do that was really important to me.
It starts with building relationships with people and learning how to do that during the pandemic because everything is an online format. It is one of the benefits of living in the age that we do and taking advantage of, you don’t just have to go out there and go, does this person look like they might be a client that I want? I’m going to stalk them for a while, message them, and then sell them my idea because nobody wants that. It’s walking through the mall and having people ask you to try a sample. And you’re like, I have to go to the store. I have to return this. The store is about to close. I really don’t want to sit and talk and have you sell a product to me.
So approaching it from a different standpoint of not looking to make a sale, but looking to make a connection with somebody, because maybe they don’t need your service, and that’s fine.
TL;DR: Selling only feels like selling (a.k.a. awful) when your goal is to sell. You can want to make money, but if that’s your only goal, you’re cheating your clients and yourself.
But down the road if you had a conversation, you really connected, maybe they have a sister or a friend who they realize [could benefit from your services] — this person came to them and was saying, “I feel really terrible. I want to get this promotion, but nobody’s taking me seriously. I don’t even take myself seriously. I don’t know why. Where do I start?” and they’re like, “Well, you know you’ve been wearing those yoga pants for the last year, maybe it starts with that. I know a stylist actually—” and then being able to make those connections naturally like you have that person who thinks of you because you made an impact on them in a positive way, and it was a natural conversation, a natural relationship, and it didn’t feel like a sales pitch to them. So they want you to create an impact in this person’s life because you made one in there’s.
So, I think finding a way to connect with people in that way and build genuine relationships, was a challenge for me, but it’s one that I’m happy that I went through. Because I think it’s helped me in my daily life too, and being able to connect with people and realize that we all just want to be seen, we all want to be heard, and we all are going through something.
How can we support each other through whatever it is? Pandemic or not — everyone is going through something at some point in their lives!
Sandra: Exactly, exactly! Yeah, and I love that you looked inside too! It works for you because there are an infinite number of options for how to market and sell. There really are!
Like inside of my program, I actually made a list of like — there’s probably a hundred things — I just went and listed on purpose to make people go through and look like, there’s this, there’s this, there’s this, there’s more, but I just wanted you to see how much there is, because sometimes you stuck on the “new” way to market is social media and that’s like it. That’s the only thing. You got to do it that way, and it’s like, that’s just one of so many ways, right? That was intuitive for you.
Sandra: Now, whenever I talk about challenges, I always like to talk about the other side of the coin, which is the wins. The things that keep you going because as much as entrepreneurship comes with challenges, it comes with a lot of highs. Usually, because you’re a direct connection, like what you’re building with people, and that’s where it comes from. I’d love for you to share when that really stood out to you.
Bri: Something that really stood out to me, and it actually just happened this weekend. I feel like since I started my business, I have been able to see little things along the way that I never recognized before because I wasn’t looking for them. And then when you make yourself very aware of really great things that are happening for me and I’m putting effort in and things are coming back because of that, you start becoming aware of them and recognizing them and you can appreciate them.
So I have been working on my website, my wife had put it together for me, we were getting ready to launch it and we were just waiting for the right time everything was still coming together. We finally launched it this weekend, I was so excited, I was posting it everywhere, and I had somebody reach out to me. We had worked together years ago, and not really worked together closely because there were a couple of programs within the business I worked at. So they were in a totally different program, but we knew each other. They reached out and said, “I would love to hear more about your business because I’ve watched as you’ve been building toward your website on social media.” I do lives on Wednesdays.
TL;DR: People are always watching, learning, and getting inspired by your process and progress. Share as much and as often as you can!
So they had been watching and just said you know I really enjoy your videos you’re very down to earth and relatable you make these funny little reels once in a while and it’s just fun to watch you and you just seem so genuinely happy with what you’re doing I wanted to let you know that you actually inspired me to take this next step because I’ve been thinking of starting my own business. Watching you get so excited with the journey that you were taking, of leaving your 9 to 5, in a completely who knows what’s happening environment, and going I have to try this I just got to put my effort in and I got to make an impact somewhere and I know this is how I’m going to do it.
They were like, “I want to start my own business. I’m planning on doing it next year. I just wanted to let you know you inspired me to take that step.“
I was crying to myself because you don’t even realize if you’re making an impact in someone’s life. And of course, that’s what I want as I want to be able to see positive coming from other people, but it wasn’t even something I was intending to do. It’s not like I was working directly with this person and could see it. It was somebody who was just watching me from afar and could see how much this business meant to me, and how passionate I am about sharing it with other people.
It was just a genuine connection. I never reached out and was like, “Do you know anybody who wants to get styled? Or do you want to get styled? Or do you want support with this?” It was just somebody who watched me grow my business over the last few months and go — this is awesome — I want to do the same thing for myself because I deserve to do this. I deserve to leave working in retail or working in a corporate job to pursue my dreams because other people I know in my life are doing it and they are loving their life right now.
Sandra: Yeah, and you were an expander for them.
Bri: Yeah, I never even thought of how I could be impacting people who I don’t work with so it is just heartwarming to know that what you are putting out there people are paying attention, even if they don’t comment or message you or respond in a way they think. People are watching. People are always watching. They are taking something away from it and at some point, something is going to click, and it’s going to be the right thing for the right person at the right time.
Impact in silence
Sandra: Beautiful. It’s so true, and you make an impact in silence probably as far as I feel into it, infinitely more than you do with your voice and with your words. There’s like so much more that’s happened in the silence that you don’t even know! Because even the clients who do have and then they go forward how many people who they impact based on the work you guys did together, right?
Bri: Yep, exactly!
Sandra: So one last question. If you could go back to when you first started thinking about this, even if you had a job, and the desire was just alive in you. If there’s something you’ve learned over the last few years that you could go back and tell yourself when you were sitting in a job with that desire, and you were having doubts.
What have you learned that you would go back and tell yourself?
Bri: It’s a good question. I would tell myself to take a deep breath and just take the plunge. Do it. Whatever it was. Even if it’s something small, for a long time I didn’t even share that I have started my own business with people. I don’t think I was ashamed, it was just it’s that fear of you’re afraid of what people are going to think when they’re like but you have a paycheck, you’re in a pandemic! You have a consistent job and you’re still working why would you leave that? Why would you even think about starting a business during this? You’re afraid of the backlash that you’re going to get.
TL;DR: Whenever you think you’ve reached your limit, someone will remind you why you do whatever it is that you do. Do you want to start a business? Yeah? Do it yesterday.
But honestly, once I told people, the amount of support that I got was immense. I wish I had done it sooner. I think if I had started talking sooner about my ideas, my dreams, my visions — how excited I was — I would have been able to be excited for longer, and even more passionate now because people would be able to experience that with me, and live that with me, and appreciate and support me from very early on. Instead when I felt like this is an acceptable time for people to appreciate what I’m going through and support me. And instead, you can have support as early on as you want and there are always going to be people who are going to react in a way that you’re not expecting, and that’s okay.
Everyone has their own opinions on things. Everyone has their own reactions. You just don’t let that hold you back in any way.
You keep pushing and doing what you are passionate about, what you know you are inspired to do because it’s going to make an impact in someone’s life, whether or not you realize it.
Sandra: Exactly. I love that. It’s true, other people’s opinions are conditioned on their experiences, on what they believe, and what’s going on for them, and it usually has nothing to do with you. It’s just they’re giving it to you and it usually just trigger us right?
But the reality is if you actually knew exactly where that person was coming from it would be nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with you it’s always their stuff, right? I love that. I love that, and it’s true. What I think I’ve learned over the years is that just put it out there and whatever is going to happen is going to happen.
But if you hold on to a desire, if you hold on to a dream, and a vision, and you do keep it secret for whatever reason — it’s just like you’re keeping a little bird in a cage and it wants to fly!
Bri: And it can’t expand, it can’t spread its wings and it can’t see the world if you don’t let it go.
Sandra: Yes, lovely, lovely so Bri how can people get a hold of you if they’re feeling like I need this or they want to know more? What’s the best way to get a hold of you?
Bri: So, like I said, we just launched the website this weekend, so they can find me there it’s vostramoda.com.
I’m happy to just talk with people and share my experience with them and what’s worked for me and what can work for them.
Sandra: Awesome! Bri, thank you so much for joining me today. I promise you you’ve made an impact today. Thank you so much, have an amazing day! Thank you, everybody! See you next time!